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Cavs have been making great adjustments, Warriors have barely made any at all.

 

what'd i say?

wow, they're using Lee correctly in the 12TH quarter of the series. Cavs have been running through lebron largely, but Delly (last game), Thompson(1st half of last game), & Smith are all being adjusted in and out of the offense. From these games so far, I expect the Cavs to adjust better to Lee than the Warriors will adjust back. Then consider how ridiculously undermanned the Cavs are and that they're even in this at all.  

The Warriors just do not look mentally sound out there. The Cavs are focused and are playing as if every play is their last. I've been pulling for both these teams all season, I really hope the Warriors can pull it together and figure out how to run their offense against the Cavs for 4 full quarters. 

I saw what you wrote and I'm saying it was wrong

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regardless the Cavs are closer to 3-0 than the Dubs are 2-1. 

They don't need any adjustments, the officiating just needs to not be shitty. I find it funny how "all of the sudden" warriors are struggling when probably any team in the western playoffs would beat this Cavs team. They need to reward the team for staying healthy, its not their fault. They need to stop punishing them. Seriously 12 FT's this game? It's laughable how one sided the officiating is. NBA should be ashamed.

Lol what makes you say that 

Warriors are a missed dunk away from being up 2-1 and a crazy delladevoa and-1 from maybe being up 3-0. It's all dumb as it doesn't matter, but don't be ignorant 

Officials need to reward the team for staying healthy? wtf

1-sided officiating? Such a biased statement just like everybody else that complains about officiating. There's been plenty of calls Cavs fans could complain about, they had a whole discussion on espn of the calls that were missed where Lebron was fouled. Both sides have gotten away with travels, fouls, etc. as is typical in any nba game. It is so difficult to officiate this level of basketball with as much contact as there is going around that there really isnt any need to keep pulling out these conspiracy theories.

At some point u just have to admit that Green and Barnes are stinking it up from the field missing wide open shots, and Curry and Thompson have been inconsistent. The Cavs defense has been pretty decent and they do enough to get by. Officiating isn't the reason.

Lol what makes you say that 

Warriors are a missed dunk away from being up 2-1 and a crazy delladevoa and-1 from maybe being up 3-0. It's all dumb as it doesn't matter, but don't be ignorant 

what makes me say that is talking about the entire game and not only plays in the last 5 minutes. 

the Cavs havent played as shitty of a quarter as the three that GS played last night. 

Reward was probably a bad word to use, but I just mean they should call things both ways. not give calls to the Cavs, or lack of calls. Cavaliers have been over aggressive and the calls are at least 2:1 ratio if not worse in the Cavs favor. Not sure how that's even possible without them rigging the games to draw out the series. It's whatever now, the warriors will win out. 

The warriors figured nothing out. Their offense is fraudulent, the West plays no defense and they don't know hot to react to the best defense in the playoffs. Steph Curry is getting absolutely shackled by an undrafted aussie and is shook.  He even has to justify himself in postgame pressers he's so embarrassed; he's lucky Delly had hospitalizing cramps in the 4th so they threw "one-armed" Shump at him. That's without even mentioning the triple illegal-screen to get Curry open, some of those screens would've got flagged for 15 yards in the NFL.

Not to mention people ITT do not actually believe the Warriors will win out, even if they feasibly could. LeBron is visibly their daddy, is passing MJ as GOAT right now and is exposing Kerr all at the same time.

Oh and lol'd @ D. Lee, he had 5 fouls in 13 minutes. Cavs counter by going small and Lee has Bron? Or they do a 3-5 or 4-5 PnR and Kerr won't be able to call a timeout fast enough to get his bum ass out.

Reward was probably a bad word to use, but I just mean they should call things both ways. not give calls to the Cavs, or lack of calls. Cavaliers have been over aggressive and the calls are at least 2:1 ratio if not worse in the Cavs favor. Not sure how that's even possible without them rigging the games to draw out the series. It's whatever now, the warriors will win out. 

QQin about refs? FOH son.

Your group of finesse jump shooters are not going to get the calls LePostOgre James is going to get. Tell Steph "Flops on every 3" Curry to make a man move to the basket against his unathletic defender and he might start going to the line.

Act like the Warriors aren't given free reign to foul Bron under 2 mins as much as they want. Gamewinning layup? Just rake him across the arm, easiest defense in the league.

Lol what makes you say that 

Warriors are a missed dunk away from being up 2-1 and a crazy delladevoa and-1 from maybe being up 3-0. It's all dumb as it doesn't matter, but don't be ignorant 

 

He probably says that because the Cavs have won something like 70-80% of the mins played these finals, Thoroughly toying with the warriors, who only come back in 4th quarters due to the Cavs running a 7 man rotation.

Serious question, you actually been watching these games. The Warriors are getting embarrassed by an undrafted Australian.

They didn't want the game decided by that, and they want to keep the games close. Hence constant 4th qtr comebacks. Also it's not for the lack of calls the warriors aren't getting, it's the excessive calls the Cavs are getting. Like I said earlier, they're not even letting them box out. Not sure if you're watching the game or if you're just a Cavs fan. If you think the officiating is good, and NBA doesn't rig ANY games you may be disabled.

i guess im disabled too because i still think it's absurd to say the nba is rigging games. i dont mean to be harsh because i know you're just defending your guys, but c'mon, all of the warriors starters have under-performed this series and that's why they're losing. The pace is slow, and the Cavs are leaving Green and Barnes wide open because they have been abysmal from the field. All of the emphasis has been on double-teaming Steph and it has worked out great thus far. 

I still think the Warriors are the better team, but sometimes the best team doesn't win the game when... idk, maybe it's just that They Dont Play Well! 

iggy has been so huge
nice adjustments by the warriors
Caves could not hit anything tonight. At one point they shot up 3 missed threes and got offensive rebounds, turns over to Curry and he nets it in the first shot,
You do realize Tim Donaghy  admitted to rigging games, more or less right? Betting on a team that he was officiating for so he could get some money. Maybe I'm more aware of these kind of games because this wasn't the first time the Warriors have been on the shit end of the stick when it comes to these types of games. When the Lakers played the Warriors and Kobe tore his Achilles. I think the Lakers shot almost 60 FT's or something crazy. I'm too lazy to look it up. But it was basically a race for the 8th seed between the Jazz and the Lakers. Obviously the league want's a team like the Lakers to be in the playoffs over the Jazz for revenue purposes. The games integrity has always been in question. You can believe what you want to believe I guess, I'm done talking about it now.

I am aware of the Tim Donaghy scandal, but the actions of one individual obviously don't reflect the intentions of the whole league. The Cavs and Warriors are both two smaller market teams with prominent figures (Lebron and Steph), i dont see the advantage of giving cleveland a chip here. There was a fair amount of calls that Cleveland got screwed on tonight and in other games. 3/4 games have been close, and could have had different results if one player makes an extra wide open three or 2. 

and then what? The Warriors sweep the Cavs? Steph Curry becomes more loved after sweeping the finals? The NBA only cares about Steph Curry, and tells the officials to call a foul every time a Cavs player lays a finger on him? Coincidence that Warriors won every close game? Obviously the series was rigged, and the NBA just wants the fun-loving, 3-point chucking warriors to get all the glory, while punishing Lebron for being a control freak and acting like he has the league wrapped around his finger.

We can come up with all sorts of absurd notions all day. 

Edit: Know u said u were done talking about it, but i just had to respond to that Tim Donaghy reference. One bad apple in the White House doesnt mean the whole government is corrupt (although there is that conspiracy as well)

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agreed, thank you.

Cavs finally got exposed for not having a complete team last night, Warriors finally made proper adjustments on the double teaming on Steph. I honestly dont think the Cavs have the stamina to win another game, i mean ffs theyre playing with 7 guys. 

That game was ugly.
cavs are a terrible team.

lol thats not true at all

this team is getting way too much shit for being awful. i still think they have talent 

lol thats not true at all

this team is getting way too much shit for being awful. i still think they have talent 

are you high? they dont have 3 of their starters from the beginning of the year in. JR smith is their 2nd best shooter.

r u high, tristan thompson is getting a max contract and mozgov has been an elite rim protector all series who has shown scoring potential

warriors won this series on adjustments and depth, which is funny cause according to Rhis the warriors didn't make many adjustments 

they really didnt. and cavs couldnt figure out a way to adjust their defense once guys outside of steph and thompson started making shots. i can understand making the argument that the warrios won with depth, but their adjustments took way too long and they let the cavs way more into the series than they should have been. the Cavs may have tried to make adjustments at the end but i would have loved to see guys like Miller come off the bench (seriously what other reason are they there for other than this situation?) considering just how exhausted the whole team seemed. i just dont understand how you cant see how crazy it is that the Cavs were contending throughout this series, but i kind of wish that the Cavs tried a couple of different lineups in Game 6. 

its almost hard to image how the Cavs defense was able to stay with the Warriors the first 4 games after these last 2 performances. 

r u high, tristan thompson is getting a max contract and mozgov has been an elite rim protector all series who has shown scoring potential

cool. those aren't even supposed to be starters for the Cavs. 

r u high, tristan thompson is getting a max contract and mozgov has been an elite rim protector all series who has shown scoring potential

warriors won this series on adjustments and depth, which is funny cause according to Rhis the warriors didn't make many adjustments 

 

In what world do you think Tristan Thompson is getting a max contract?

Also, I get that you want to give the Warriors as much credit as possible. I really do. Kerr made his adjustments and all that and it was all well and good but he was coaching around someone who literally couldn't make adjustments in return to counteract anything. The Cavs were only suiting up 7 men for the entirety of the series minus game 1 before Kyrie went down. You can't make meaningful adjustments when you only have 2 guys coming off the bench. The Warriors played a great series, but a gigantic part of the Warriors winning so dominantly the past 3 games is because they simply outlasted the Cavs. Cleveland was exhausted. I'm 100% sure the series would been much different had Love and Kyrie been available. Not to say the Cavs would have won but It would have been way more competitive. 

Also also, don't try to act like a team of  Knicks cast offs, Tristan Thompson (who is really not that great) Mozgov, and Lebron is "talented." They put up a fight simply because Lebron is the best player in the game. 

initially i wasn't taking this conversation seriously, but now i will 

first off, i absolutely do not think tristan thompson is a max player, but that doesn't mean he won't get one. rich paul represents both thompson and lebron and it wouldn't surprise me that when lebron agreed to come to cleveland there was an under the table deal that thompson would get a max contract. he shot 56% during the postseason while also DOMINATING the offensive glass (4.5 a game) and he's an above average defender for that position. i believe he has potential to be a 15 and 10 guy, but it's difficult when you get 0 shot attempts. not to mention, we both know a max this upcoming offseason isn't a true max. it's why i have no problem giving draymond a max deal. 

 

also, mozgov has now officially entered elite rim protector status in terms of FG% at the rim around him. his defense around the paint was absolutely fantastic all series and he showed offensive prowess at points during the series. JR Smith and Shumpert were absolutely atrocious this series, but they have played incredibly well since they got traded. this team was rolling through the playoffs even with kyrie on the bench during stretches

also i totally understand and agree with the argument that the cavaliers ran out of firepower, but this team might have slightly benefited from the kevin love injury. during the playoffs before the finals they were only allowing 80.1 points per 100 possessions, which very well be the greatest defensive number i've ever seen. this number is 100% not possible with kevin love and they got to the finals and beat the warriors twice on their defense, not offense.  

at the end of the day, lebron is by far the greatest player in the world, but how can any player get into a rhythm and feel for the game when lebron takes an isolation play on 35% of the possessions. that is not great basketball, regardless of how good he is

warriors were always going to win, but i feel like i'm hearing more about how it's lebron and his misfit toys compared to the warriors greatness, who are now a top 10 team in NBA history. they were 7th in points differential all time (with curry sitting out most 4th quarters) and had one of the best records of all time. not to mention they were 2nd in offensive efficiency, 1st in defensive efficiency, 1st in pace, and lead the league by a decent margin for most games with over 25 assists. they would have beaten anyone 

lol thats not true at all

this team is getting way too much shit for being awful. i still think they have talent 

are you high? they dont have 3 of their starters from the beginning of the year in. JR smith is their 2nd best shooter.

Emphasizing JR Smith their 2nd best shooter 

No, Tristan Thompson will not get a max of any capacity, prior to or after the CBA. He had a bunch of offensive rebounds for the same reason why Lebrons rebounding average spiked up. There was just nobody to get rebounds so he got more by default. That has nothing to do with his own improvement. He shot 56% because he was fed wide open dunks when Lebron drew in extra defenders. He had plenty of opportunity the past 2 seasons before Lebron got to town to prove he could be a "15/10" guy but that is absolutely never happening. He's an undersized big who has never shot over 50% prior to this season and all of his newfound offensive efficiency can be directly correlated to the best player in the game being on the same court as him. Any team willing to give him a max is desperate to either hit the cap floor or just needs talent that badly. Thompson already turned down 13 mil a year and I doubt the Cavs will budge on that no matter who his agent is. 

Mozgov is good. That's pretty much all I'll give you. He really came into his own as a low post defender and has show great improvement. J.R and Shump have done what They've always done, played incredibly inconsistent basketball. If the Cavs had bench depth they probably wouldn't have been playing as much because they didn't deserve the minutes they were getting. They really were a team of misfits, and rolling through the Eastern conference doesn't prove otherwise because the East is a conference full of misfits in and of itself besides the Hawks, who have literally haven't made it to the conference championship since the merger. They were never going to beat even a depleted Cavaliers because they had no way to stop Lebron and no one on that team has been that far in the playoffs before. The Cavs rolling through the East is not a competent argument for them having a "good" team. 

None of this takes away from what the Warriors accomplished, but you don't need to keep acting like they smoked a competent team just to make them look better. The Cavaliers in their current state wouldn't have beaten a bunch of teams in the West. Lebron can't do it alone. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToheU0VFPSM

i think everyone has seen this already, but just in case.

but seriously why wasn't mike miller playing at all? dude has finals experience, he's not some experimental player on the bench. 

also just gonna leave this here:

 tristan thompson is getting a max contract and mozgov has been an elite rim protector all series 

not even just mike miller, but whatever happened to shawn marion? the guy was starting at one point during the early part of the year. i realize both of these guys r old geezers that are pretty much running on empty, but i feel like u could get some solid inspirational plays out of them if u just play them 5-10 mpg. Blatt's playing time decisions were questionable to say the least. I can understand giving JR a lot of minutes when u know he can have serious potential to go off unlike any other role player they have, but Shumpert is not a guy u can give a lot of minutes to. he's just not effective starting anyways; he needs to be an energy guy off the bench. 

Once Kyrie went down, i think JR should have been inserted into the starting lineup. They pretty much play Lebron full time anyways, and their only real chance in the series was to try to turn JR back to the Denver Nuggets JR, just like how the Warriors turned the clock back on Iguadola. That starting lineup needed more scoring punch to fill Kyrie's absence and take more of the load off Lebron, while bringing shooters off the bench to accomodate Lebron's increased involvment through the end of the game. Lebron simply looked too fatigued to make the necessary plays he needed to make in the 4th quarters of the series. If they would have made a concerted effort to get JR going early in the series by inserting him into the starting lineup and giving him early touches, i think they would have had more of a chance. Everyone gets on the Cavs for their iso ball, but it was truly their best chance to slow the warriors and muck up the game as much as possible. And it might've actually worked had they shot the ball better. A confident JR would've freed up all sorts of opportunities.

Regardless, i'm still really salty that i didn't get to see the series pan out with a healthy Kyrie. It would have legitimized the Warriors' championship much more for me had they beaten a Cavs team with their healthy PG, as obviously no one on the Cavs was able to efficiently replace his production at all.

If Pacers don't draft Kaminsky or WCS it will be another wasted lottery year