Donald Trump (and other election 2016 talk)

Flynn came to Manhattan to debate Charles Murray at a forum sponsored by the Manhattan Institute. Their subject was the black-white I.Q. gap in America. During the twenty-five years after the Second World War, that gap closed considerably. The I.Q.s of white Americans rose, as part of the general worldwide Flynn effect, but the I.Q.s of black Americans rose faster. Then, for about a period of twenty-five years, that trend stalled—and the question was why.

Murray showed a series of PowerPoint slides, each representing different statistical formulations of the I.Q. gap. He appeared to be pessimistic that the racial difference would narrow in the future. “By the nineteen-seventies, you had gotten most of the juice out of the environment that you were going to get,” he said. That gap, he seemed to think, reflected some inherent difference between the races. “Starting in the nineteen-seventies, to put it very crudely, you had a higher proportion of black kids being born to really dumb mothers,” he said. When the debate’s moderator, Jane Waldfogel, informed him that the most recent data showed that the race gap had begun to close again, Murray seemed unimpressed, as if the possibility that blacks could ever make further progress was inconceivable.

Flynn took a different approach. The black-white gap, he pointed out, differs dramatically by age. He noted that the tests we have for measuring the cognitive functioning of infants, though admittedly crude, show the races to be almost the same. By age four, the average black I.Q. is 95.4—only four and a half points behind the average white I.Q. Then the real gap emerges: from age four through twenty-four, blacks lose six-tenths of a point a year, until their scores settle at 83.4.

That steady decline, Flynn said, did not resemble the usual pattern of genetic influence. Instead, it was exactly what you would expect, given the disparate cognitive environments that whites and blacks encounter as they grow older. Black children are more likely to be raised in single-parent homes than are white children—and single-parent homes are less cognitively complex than two-parent homes. The average I.Q. of first-grade students in schools that blacks attend is 95, which means that “kids who want to be above average don’t have to aim as high.” There were possibly adverse differences between black teen-age culture and white teen-age culture, and an enormous number of young black men are in jail—which is hardly the kind of environment in which someone would learn to put on scientific spectacles.

Flynn then talked about what we’ve learned from studies of adoption and mixed-race children—and that evidence didn’t fit a genetic model, either. If I.Q. is innate, it shouldn’t make a difference whether it’s a mixed-race child’s mother or father who is black. But it does: children with a white mother and a black father have an eight-point I.Q. advantage over those with a black mother and a white father. And it shouldn’t make much of a difference where a mixed-race child is born. But, again, it does: the children fathered by black American G.I.s in postwar Germany and brought up by their German mothers have the same I.Q.s as the children of white American G.I.s and German mothers. The difference, in that case, was not the fact of the children’s blackness, as a fundamentalist would say. It was the fact of their Germanness—of their being brought up in a different culture, under different circumstances. “The mind is much more like a muscle than we’ve ever realized,” Flynn said. “It needs to get cognitive exercise. It’s not some piece of clay on which you put an indelible mark.” The lesson to be drawn from black and white differences was the same as the lesson from the Netherlands years ago: I.Q. measures not the quality of a person’s mind but the quality of the world that person lives in.

(and privileges certain worlds over others)

Anyone who has questions or would like to properly debate National Socialism please PM me.

So who do you guys think will win the caucus tonight? They announce it at 8pm est.

My predictions are Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz

He does have an IQ of 160, he is a very successful business man, he dumbs down his speeches and plays mind games to gain support.

I read the previous posts. I was hoping u'd come up with a reliable source.

There is not specific number anywhere, but he has joined MENSA which means it is 150+ and with self-made billionaires being at an average of 162 his IQ is said to be at least 157

Edit: He is also able to join the Triple Nine Society.

 

"
Donald Trump graduated from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania in 1968, with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics and anthropology.  Mensa  doesn't accept SAT scores from after 1994.  However Mr Trump was a student at Wharton when it was possible to derive an accurate IQ core from known SAT scores.   Given the usual requirements for admission to a top school like Wharton, I estimate that Mr. Trump has a 156 IQ at the minimum. 
The standard description of this level of intelligence is “Genius – Exception intellectual ability and capable of looking beyond known facts.”  However, the percentile rating is more revealing than the raw score.  A 156 IQ is at the 99.9905490555 percentile.  That means that Donald Trump is smarter than 99.99 percent of the people on planet earth.  Not only does Trump qualify for membership in Mensa but he could join the Triple Nine Society."

kill yourself

"and to be very clear, that high number only really indicates trump has had a hugely privileged life."

I don't think that is accurate. If what you mean by privileged is how rich and how nice his living environment is. Nikola Tesla, Edgar Allen Poe, Socrates, Herman Melville, and Antonio Meucci were all poor and unhealthy  geniuses.

If the Terminator can be governor, I think Trump could be president. We're America... we can make shit happen.
lol.

Blatantly ignoring his speech on how important the arts and creative fanatics are.

I'm not ignoring it, it's also not what I'm referring to. Humans have a wide breadth of personality traits, I think it's disingenuous for national socialistism to tout the importance of intelligence/IQ, which hides within openness, while at the same time disregard the fact that openness is the reason we are able to empathize, think liberally, and adapt to new experiences. National socialism can't just cherry pick the aspects of our natural and social structure that suit its cause (dominance hierarchy, intelligence (liquid or crystallized), tribalistic, etc) while ignoring our capacity to be open, creative, and agreeable, characteristics that allow us to live unsegregated by race or tribe.

I see what you are trying to say but it isn't cherry picking. It is referring to the idea that Humans are animals and should obey the laws of nature. That law of nature the video is refferring to is survival of the fittest, which I am firm believer in. I understand that humans are more complex than other animals but that doesn't mean we shouldn't break the laws of nature which Socialism and Communism/Marxism aims to do, I believe we should adapt as the stronger species. I thnk what we mainly disagree on is that race exists and that people are different. I believe there is such thing in this world as races that are lesser than others.  That is a personal belief I hold and I guess we just disagree on the subject. Have a good day :)

 

There is not specific number anywhere, but he has joined MENSA which means it is 150+ and with self-made billionaires being at an average of 162 his IQ is said to be at least 157

Edit: He is also able to join the Triple Nine Society.

 

"
Donald Trump graduated from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania in 1968, with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics and anthropology.  Mensa  doesn't accept SAT scores from after 1994.  However Mr Trump was a student at Wharton when it was possible to derive an accurate IQ core from known SAT scores.   Given the usual requirements for admission to a top school like Wharton, I estimate that Mr. Trump has a 156 IQ at the minimum. 
The standard description of this level of intelligence is “Genius – Exception intellectual ability and capable of looking beyond known facts.”  However, the percentile rating is more revealing than the raw score.  A 156 IQ is at the 99.9905490555 percentile.  That means that Donald Trump is smarter than 99.99 percent of the people on planet earth.  Not only does Trump qualify for membership in Mensa but he could join the Triple Nine Society."

When I asked for a credible source I wasn't exactly talking about a www.beforeitsnews.com article about an unnamed author's estimation of Donald's IQ based on what college he went to.

 

I'm more worried about your other views though...  It really is saddening and quite sickening to think that those are your actual beliefs, I'm sorry for you. 

I believe there is such thing in this world as races that are lesser than others. 

What do you mean by lesser

holy shit @ all the IQ comments. 

 

 

all all the candidates suck for one reason or another. 

 

Its gunna be Hillary and Cruz / Kasich. 

 

bernie would make a shit president. as would trump. 

 

 

go read NYT's endorsements. does a pretty good job summing things up imo

I believe there is such thing in this world as races that are lesser than others. 

What do you mean by lesser

I also want to hear the answer to this

ill vote for whoever is the dankest meme candidate/has the best montage parodies.

 

in all seriousness though, regardless of whether you're conservative or not, i don't see how you can get behind a guy who panders to racists for votes (unless you're a racist yourself). how would he be a good guy to have in the White House 

>go read NYT's endorsements

LOL im good man

Whoever has the biggest wang should get in

>go read NYT's endorsements

LOL im good man

 

 

LOL

 

why the fuck not? 

See below

I see only a few positives.  

The first being all other countries saying "Wow, America really has lost their minds haven't they?  Better not fuck with them"

The second would be the itching anticipation of Trump using his famous "You're fired" line on a African-American White House maid.

Lold
I bet you Fiorina has the bigggest wang
if anything that any one (relevant) candidate's IQ is higher than any of the other (relevant) candidates'. ur fucking retarded. and should probably leave this thread

That law of nature the video is refferring to is survival of the fittest, which I am firm believer in.

 

 

 

the fact that this sentence has been written down unironically on this forum bothers me.

it was general curiosity

I bet you Fiorina has the bigggest wang

dont ignore the q

Did people forget he believes Obama is not american born? He's one of original birthers and still is.

Now ask yourselves this, why does this administration so hyped up on clintons emails?

Martial is more and likley coming this year...International martial law...

Trump running is a fucking joke, all he wants is attention and im pretty confident he'll say whatever has to in order to keep his sheeple. Also his tweets about climate change are just scary that a guy with that power thinks that. I dont exactly like the choices but Bernie gives me some hope. Hillary just wants to be the first female president.

Hilary "supporters" aren't even supporters. It's just a bunch of feminist wanting to see a women become president 

 

Hilary "supporters" aren't even supporters. It's just a bunch of feminist wanting to see a women become president 

 

 

 

are you retarded? 

 

Do do you actually think these things? 

 

do you talk to real people in real life about things? 

 

 

let let me guess your answers. Yes,Yes,No. 

 

Also gunna guess you don't like Hillary. You also probably think feminists are crazy and social justice is silly? 

Hilary is barely even trying because she knows she has already "won."  I'm not for any particulate candidate (it all seems so staged to me.)  

The Repubs are too fragmented and out of touch to be any real threat for her. Sanders is unelectable because the last person America is going to elect is another delusional angry white guy.  Every Dem candidate is fully aware that a first world nation cannot sustain a heavy military presence, a welfare stare and universal healthcare at the same time, no matter how prosperous they are (Canada and the UK do not have a large fiscal welfare state overhead for example.)  Obamacare hasn't really helped anyone over 26, everyone knows it, it's kind of a joke at this point, the majority of sub-200% poverty line citizens are falling back on sliding scale clinics and/or taking the IRS hit.

When Hillary "gets rolling" she will offer a solution somewhere between the failure of the ACA and true universal healthcare (you can have UHC or a welfare state, but not both) and it will be upon this platform that she will win. 

 

How is Sanders delusional?
How is Sanders delusional?
Because most of the reforms he talks about are completely unfeasible in America today.